Notes and Queries, Number 211, November 12, 1853

The laggen they hae clautet."

which means, that at last, whether through pride, hunger, or long fasting, the appetite had become so keen, that all, even to the last particle of the parritch, was clautet, scartit, or scraped from the bottom of the coggie, and to its inmost recesses surrounded by the laggen girth. Of the motto of the garter, "Honi soit qui mal y pense," I have heard a burlesque translation known but to few, in "Honeys sweet quo' Mally Spence," synonymous with Proverbs, chap. ix. verse 17: "Stolen waters are sweet, and bread eaten in secret is pleasant."

    G. N.

Passage in Bacon (Vol. viii., p. 303.).—I had, partly from inadvertence, and partly from a belief that a tautology would be created by a recurrence to the idea of death, after the words "mortis terrore carentem," in the preceding line, understood the verse in question to mean, "which regards length of life as the last of Nature's gifts." On reconsideration, however, I do not doubt that the received interpretation, which makes spatium extremum equivalent to finem, is the correct one.

    L.

What Day is it at our Antipodes? (Vol. viii., p. 102.).—A person sailing to our Antipodes westward will lose twelve hours; by sailing thither eastward he will gain twelve hours. If both meet at the same hour, say eleven o'clock, the one will reckon 11 A.M., the other 11 P.M.

    Este.

Calves' Head Club (Vol. viii., p. 315.).—In Hone's Every Day Book, vol. ii. pp. 158, 159, 160., some more information is given on the interesting event referred to in the Note made by Mr. E. G. Ballard. A print is given of the scene; and the obnoxious toasts are also quoted; they are: "The pious memory of Oliver Cromwell;" "Damn—n to the race of the Stuarts;" "The glorious year 1648;" "The man in the mask," &c. The print is dated 1734, which proves that the meeting at which the disturbance arose was not the first which had taken place.

    S. A. S.

Bridgewater.

Heraldic Query (Vol. viii., p. 219.).—Although A. was killed in open rebellion, I think his armorial bearings were not forfeited unless he was subsequently attainted by act of parliament; and even in that case it is possible that the act contained a provision that the penalty should not extend to the prejudice of any other person than the offender. Assuming that A. was not attainted, or that the consequences of his attainder were thus restricted to himself, or that his attainder has been reversed, it is clear that his lawful posterity are still entitled to his arms, notwithstanding the acceptance by his grandson C. of a new grant, which obviously could no more affect the title to the ancient arms than the creation of a modern barony can destroy the right of its recipient to an older one. The descendants of C. being thus entitled to both coats, could, I imagine, without difficulty obtain a recognition of their right; and I think they might either use the ancient arms alone, or the ancient and the modern arms quarterly, precedence being given to the former. The proper course would be to seek the licence of the crown for the resumption of the ancient surname, as well as of the arms. Such permission would, I apprehend, be now conceded, even though it should appear that the arms were really forfeited.

    Henry Gough.

Emberton, Bucks.

The Temple Lands in Scotland (Vol. viii., p. 317.).—These lands, or a portion of them, were acquired, and afterwards transferred by sale, to Mr. Gracie, by James Maidment, Esq., the eminent Scottish antiquary, who, in 1828-29, privately printed—

"Templaria: Papers Relative to the History, Privileges, and Possessions of the Scottish Knights Templars, and their Successors, the Knights of St. John of Jerusalem, with Notes," &c.

This will no doubt contain all that your correspondent Abredonensis could desire upon the subject, provided he can obtain it; for the work, professing to be printed by the author for presents, is confined to twenty-five copies, and must therefore be rare. In 1831 was published by Stevenson, Edinburgh, an Historical Account of Linlithgowshire, by the late John Penney.[9 - Query the late George Chalmers.] This is edited by Mr. Maidment, and contains a chapter entitled an "Account of the Transmission of the United Estates of the Templars and Hospitallers, after the dissolution of the Order in the reign of Queen Mary;" and although the object of the editor is to notice the charters connected with Linlithgowshire, the book contains a sketch of the general history of the lands in question, abridged from the Templaria.

    J. O.

Sir John Vanbrugh (Vol. viii., p. 65. &c.).—In An Account of the Life and Death of Mr. Matthew Henry, published in the year 1716, his biographer having related that he was chosen a minister of a congregation of Dissenters in the city of Chester, and that he went there to reside on the first day of June, 1687, goes on to state (p. 75.):

"That city was then very happy in several worthy gentlemen that had habitations there; they were not altogether strangers to Mr. Henry before he came to live among them, but now they came to be his very intimate acquaintance; some of these, as Alderman Mainwaring and Mr. Vanbrugh, father to Sir John Vanbrugh, were in communion with the Church of England, but they heard Mr. Henry on the week-day lectures, and always treated him with great and serious respect."

This evidence serves to show that a Mr. Vanbrugh, who was living in Chester in 1687, was the father of Sir John Vanbrugh. I have been told that in former times there was a sugar-bakery at Chester. Did the father of Sir John Vanbrugh carry on that business at Chester during any period of his residence there?

    N. W. S.

Sir Arthur Aston (Vol. viii., p. 126.).—In reference to the Query of your correspondent Chartham, I take leave to refer him to Playfair's Baronetage, vol. ii. p. 257., where a pedigree of that ancient family is inserted. In p. 261. is a note, by which it appears that the said Sir Arthur Aston had a daughter Elizabeth, born in Russia, and married to James Thompson of Joyce Grove in Berkshire.

In addition thereto, I recollect seeing the copy of a deed of sale, dated April, 1637, by which it appears that Nicholas Hercy, of Nettlebed, in co. Oxon., sold to James Thompson of Wallingford, in co. Berkshire, "Joys Grove," in Nettlebed aforesaid; and there is united with the same James Thompson, apparently as a trustee, "George Tattersall the younger, of Finchampstead in said co. of Berkshire."

I also take leave to refer your correspondent to Lysons's Environs of London, vol. ii. p. 393., under head of "Fulham," where it is stated that Sir Arthur Aston's father resided in that parish.

    An Antiquary.

Nugget (Vol. viii., p. 357.).—Colonel Mundy, in Our Antipodes, says that the word nugget was, before the days of gold digging, used by the farmers of Australia to express a small thick bullock, such as our English farmers would call a lumpy one, or a little great one.

    A. H. White.

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